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R. Kelly: Clinical Expert Says His Body Language With Gayle King Raises A Lot Of Red Flags | Access


>>Gayle king’s explosive and emotional interview with R. Kelly He lashes out over sex abuse allegations. Welcome to “Access live.” Natalie is on assignment for the today show today.>>Get visibly upset. Gayle spoke with him for nearly 80 minutes yesterday, this first TV interview since he was charged with ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. Authorities say three of the four alleged victims were under age at the time the crimes happened. He has pleaded not guilty.>>And the clip we just saw Gayle said right after that, Oprah called her and asked if she was afraid. Did she think he was going to hit her. She said, I thought I would accidentally get clobbered. I never felt in danger talking to him. I never felt that watching Gayle I thought, wow, this was a man that can go from this stage to this stage with the flip of a switch.>>I know it definitely seemed like a flip of a switch. You can tell this is that’s been building in M. It’s a situation where the thing that really sets you off isn’t the thing you’re upset about it’s all these other things. But it is crazy to think that his attorneys would allow this interview to happen, especially with the potential of him responding like that. Like, this doesn’t help him in any sort of way.>>He’s pleading his innocence throughout — help us unpack all of this, associate professor of psychiatry at the New York presbyterian hospital. Gayle salts joins us from new York. Good to see you, Dr. Salts. You just saw right there R. Kelly showed up. What do you make of that behavior?>>Well: Aw it certainly demonstrates poor impulse control, which is concerning because, you know, that is a factor whenb frankly,7,) Is what is the person’[email protected]** impulse control. And, you know,d=k obviously that isn’t something he would want to have done on camera. Even if he feel”@$** all those feelings. So, the inability to sort of contain himself in the moment**2 isx>t>Hehbo Q W said he’swps(q$ & fighting [email protected]**2z>>gks either+y **c)j k#8sx he is.hfupbj$sr#e=**1izpy 8wvcb0qzi8 here he is right here#m) Strongly denying havingub>>Have you ever5 had **y4% no.e** K%>>Never?hzj=>>]Bax**m?& ‘lac**p no.>>So they’re lying on you,a that’s your lyinwtl**>A****uey absolutely.>kq1**q2& vo<_ absolutely.>>You feel the people have maligned your character?>>I have been ****m ]gy****assassinated. I have been buried alive. But I’mj alive.>>So, I think the point you’re making is — and I’m wrong — that you have never held anybody against their will?>>I don’t need to. Why would I? How stupid would it be for R. Kelly, with all I’ve been through in my way, way past, to hold somebody — let alone four, five, six, 50 you said. How stupid I would be to do that’s stupid, you guys.>>>>>They are charismatic and they feel convincing.>>R. Kelly comes into the interview at one point and tries to calm him down. Here’s what happened next.>>I don’t want you just ranting at the camera.>>I came for them to hear me talk. I need help –>>What kind of help?>>This is the kind of help I need.>>What kind of help?>>I need somebody to help me not have a big heart because my heart is so big. People betrey me and I keep forgiving them.>>You sound like you’re playing the victim here. You sound like R. Kelly — you do — I listen to you — you’re playing the victim.>>I’m just telling the truth and the reason I’m emotional — I apologize for that — is because this is the first time I was able to say something. I’ve said nothing.>>Dr. Salts, we found this particularly interesting. Describe the victim mentality when someone is being accused of what he has been accused of.>>I’ve got a big heart?>>When somebody believes that they are deserving, and they feel betrayed — and believe me, someone who feels that they were in some way promised to have what they want, to get what they want, and have people remain loyal to them — I mean, look at, you know, what’s going on in our country in general. People who believe that people should be loyal to them, and then they are not loyal to them can become very enraged. It has nothing to do, necessarily, with the outer ethics and morality of the situation. It has to do with someone who truly believes that they have demanded loyalty, that they were promised loyalty, and that that loyalty was betrayed.>>This makes no sense to me.>>Narcissism is often behind such claims that they should have loyalty, and believe that they are entitled to what they want at all costs.>>Wow, two women, 23-year-old Jocelyn savage and 21-year-old currently live with R. Kelly at home in Chicago. Their parents believe that Kelly has brain washed their daughters, so, Gayle asked him about these women.>>Are you an older man that likes younger women?>>I’m an older man that loves all women.>>Okay. Azarelle clairy, what is your relationship with her?>>I’m seeing her.>>Did you have sex with her when she was 17?>>Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Although her parents want pd me>>No, her parents claim they have text messages that show you had sex with her when she was 17.>>Claim, claim.>>You’re saying you did not have sex with her?>>Absolutely not.>>You are with two IBM right you love them. They say they love you. What kind of love is it that keeps these young women away from their families? Their families are saying — I’m talking right now about Jocelyn>>I’m going to answer your question. What kind of father, what kind of mother will sell their daughter to a man?>>Who did that?>>How come it was okay for me to see them until they wasn’t getting no money from it? Why would you take your daughter — if I were gonna take my daughter and she’s 19 years old to a 49-year-old icon, whatever, celebrity or R. Kelly concert or whoever it is, I’m not gonna put her on the stage and leave her. I’m gonna take her to the their father is more into my music and know about my music than they do.>>You’re saying the parents handed their daughters azerel and Jocelyn over to you? Is that what you’re saying?>>Acsabsolutely.>>So he knows it’s wrong.>>The issue here is that, right, he doesn’t even know what he’s saying. He doesn’t even know what he’s he’s trying to put the blame — why would a father — why would parents sell their daughter — why would you be buying children?>>Yeah, so he’s admitting to blame here, but then deflecting everything that is on him –>>Dr. Salts, I’m going to need to call you after this. This is nuts.>>I’ll tell you, there are big red flags. When you are always the victim and everybody else is to blame and you are always able to point the finger at someone else, that is a big red concerning flag. When you — when a young woman or any woman, when a person is separated from their family and not allowed to communicate with friends, with family, is isolated and only allowed to be with the, quote, significant other, that is a big red flag. That is a red flag. I talk to young women about this all the time. If you are isolated from others, that is a abuse fine. There are a number of things he is couching in a certain way. But he is saying blatantly that really incriminate him. That’s the reality. They really incriminate him whether he understands that or>>It doesn’t seem like he knows what he’s saying. At one point he even blamed social media as a way for women to get together and plot against him –>>Or that it happens to every>>R. Kelly has three children, a 20-year-old daughter, an 18-year-old daughter who identifies as male, and a 16-year-old son. Gayle asked about how being a father has factored into all of this.>>You have daughters. If your daughters called you and said that somebody is doing to them what the allegations are about you, would you be okay with that?>>Let me tell you something. I’d be up in that [ bleep ] Everything up. I had to bleep myself.>>If your daughter came to you and said somebody is doing to me what the allegations –>>I would have to arrest myself after I do what I had to did.>>You’ve been candid you are a sexual abuse survivor yourself. You talk candidly you were molested from the age of 7 to 13, 14. How did you think that has affected you?>>It hasn’t affected me at all — it has affected me. It affected me in this way. Anything that I’ve been through, that or any struggles I’ve had in my past has affected my music.>>Has it affected your behavior?>>Absolutely not. Because I’m gonna tell you something. I know people say well, he was abused.>>Exactly.>>That’s why he’s doing that. No, no, no, no.>>When you say you need help, do you think you need therapy? Have you been to therapy?>>Absolutely at this point, I’m talking about that.>>About going?>>Absolutely.>>It seems like someone could say you might seem out of touch to a lot of people –>>What do you mean?>>I mean, your perception of the charges against you. I know it’s your side and it’s your story. But you have a different perception that most of the world has about you.>>I have the truth. People have perceptions. I have truth.>>Do you think you’re invi invincible?>>Absolutely not, I’m human.>>Doctor, your wrap up. What is your take on the overall clips we showed you this>>My overall take, I think a lot of very concerning things were expressed, and I think he’s in a lot of denial about his situation at this point, and he probably would be better to not go in front of the cameras at all. And I think that it is important for people to understand that not all people who have been abused become abusers.>>Right.>>But the idea that one is unaffected by abuse is not believable, it is just not believable. And this is somebody who should have been in therapy probably long ago.>>And I want to — not that you necessarily need to cosign, but I do want to take a moment and acknowledge if you are out there, if you are someone who has been affected by or a victim of or been an abuser, please know that help is available, that you are not alone in that. It is okay to seek help. It is okay to seek help. Watching clips like that make you feel like, oh, yeah, it could easily make you feel like, if he don’t get it, I don’t need it. It is okay to seek help.>>Dr. Salts, we’ll need you, too, on Friday, the interview with the two young women that are currently living with him speak up. We’re going to need you again, Dr. Salts.>>Happy to come back.>>Thanks so much.

100 Replies to “R. Kelly: Clinical Expert Says His Body Language With Gayle King Raises A Lot Of Red Flags | Access”

  • Typical on how this co-host depicted what she witnessed of Kels impulse reactions during that interview. This body language lady is no expert. Too much dialogue about nothing.

  • Y'all can't comprehend. If the father did sell her SHE WAS OLDER THAN 18!!!! This girl is not the girl/girls on the allege videos. Stop tryna cram the both together.

  • What is wrong with some of u??? U really believe that an "innocent" man would call himself the PIED PIPER?? He would name himself after a child murderer ? Wake TF up ppl!

    He's clearly lying…his little performance and tears dont fool me for a second.

    (LOOK UP THE STORY OF THE PIED PIPER!)

  • R.Kelly: " What kind of father/mother would sell their child to an older man"?

    🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

    Gayle: "are u a older man that likes younger women?"

    R.Kelly: " I'm an older man that loves ALL women"

    Bruhhhh 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

    Old interview …..
    Toure: Do u like teenage girls?
    R.Kelly: How young are we talking?

    🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ he's such a moron . Lmao. These are NOT the replies of an innocent man.

  • You can't always rely on body language. Sometimes I don't look people in the eye when I talk. I'm shy ,but someone else might think I'm lying. People are different.

  • Serious question without throwing shade, I see a lot of comments criticizing gayle and the white media over doing this interview……was he forced to do this interview or did he volunteer? I’m sure the other celebrities (Weinstein, catholic priests, Kevin spacey) were advised not to do an interview and have not, they just gave statements. His publicist and lawyer should be fired.
    I saw the r Kelly dvd back in the day which included five different videos and that girl he urinated on was obviously younger than 16, I don’t need a body language expert, a documentary to know he’s lying…….I saw the DVD, in one of the scenes someone was in the background calling his name🤷🏾‍♀️, Gayle should’ve asked him why he didn’t he send those girls home instead of having their parents do press conferences? Egotistical narcissistic behavior

  • Watch this again… and notice the times where you think he is lying and saying no to things, yet he nods his head yes. And then when he says yes to things but nods his head no. I am an actress and have spent many years studying intention behind the words… what you SAY is not always what you mean. And unless you are aware of these things, the truth often comes out in actions that are subconsciously controlled.

  • Liam Neeson: "I need this to blow over. People think I'm a racist. Can anyone do anything to discredit that side and sway people's attention?"
    R. Kelly/Jussie Smollett: "Of course. We got you covered."

  • He has The Worst Lawyer to let Him do that interview! Very telling & damaging. The only time He didn't lie is when He said that one of His Girlfriends can't sing!

  • He would Attack a Man for doing to His kids what He is being accused of, That seems a bit Hypocritical! He's Lawyers should be Fired! He'd be better off with a Public Defender.lol

  • I honestly felt like his anger was forced. It felt like he as thinking- oh shit! I better make a scene so people believe me! It felt like soap opera acting

  • Gayle King was tremendous in this interview! He is a profoundly disturbed individual; he really displayed for the public his deep and unalterable (as in inoperable) sociopathy. The entire r. kelly posse is no doubt full of similar types of indivuals. He most certainly has had associates in the industry that continued to promote his sadism and disgusting perversions under the guise of musical genius. He needs to be contained (jailed) and the music industry that fed his sickness held accountable.

  • How do you call it a documentary when it’s only one sided. Sounds suspicious to me

  • Narcissist project and deflect, he's hanging his self keep letting him open up his mouth with obvious lies (ABSOLUTELY)!!!!

  • Take note: when he answered the questions… he verbally answered No but shook his head yes… then verbally answered yes and shook his head No…

  • Those girls new what they were doing he didnt hold tham hostage. They were all at his concerts grabing his dick sexualy asaulting him!

  • Give me a break.. he was putting on for the cameras to play up his "im the victim here" facade… he's breakdown is not sincere… The only thing missing here is the violins playing in the background!

  • So now television interviewers, people commenting under YouTube videos and so-called "body language specialist" (WTF is that?) are the judges, they decide who is guilty or innocent, who is telling the truth or is lying?

  • 😐No one on this video or in these comments can identify when someone else is lying or not …. like , literally . You all see this sink hole of an interview , what could he had possibly said to convince you all that he wasn’t guilty? Truth is .. you all and everyone else , including myself , has no idea if he’s telling the truth or not and we all know it, though he’ll be judged based on other people opinions . I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong about him actually doing what he’s accused of doing but no one here had eyes on or even near the situation so before you start that coffee fueled argument about who’s right or wrong at work / school / or home , just remember.. you don’t know shit but some mind reading , fortune telling , woke mf is going to try to justify their opinion even though you all know it’s the truth . ( already expecting no likes but you all read this 😂😂😂)

  • They need to change the name from body language to psychology because she does not discuss body language

  • Whether or not R.Kelly is guilty or not ppl want him to be guilty. That in itself is sickening. Ppl compare him to ppl they've encountered his not the person you experienced shit with.
    When he said the parents sold their kids they did, but he realised too late. Him dating their kids wasn't an issue until he wasn't giving more. A man giving his woman what she wants is the norm when you got it to give. He didn't need to buy their affection like most broke men do. It's difficult to say if it's true or false bcos innocent and guilty ppl react like this bcos nobody wants that kinda stuff out there. There's too much focus on him and not enough on all the white rapists and pedos in Hollywood.

  • The parents of the girls and those girls should also be arrested and properly prosecuted. Everyone that's connected to this crime is a great suspect. It's a scam to focus on Kelly alone. He's going through this difficulty bc of an initial agreement that went bad.

  • What a strange time we live in. It’s like the collective consciousness of society has finally agreed to look at ourselves in the mirror and say, “why did we allow this to happen?” Maybe we’ve finally decided to shed our delusions and pretensions. We’re finally learning it’s okay to talk about this and our own personal traumas. I think it’s very cathartic.

  • His mom and grandmother must have verbally and physicslly abused and beat the shit out of him growing up. He hates women and is afraid of men. Obviously he had no father. And that's why he likes little girls. Btw it's "truth" not "troof".

  • Kelz is not a molester nor is he a pedophile, none of those females are victims, that surviving R. Kelly shit was propaganda to fuel public outrage so the powers that be can move R. Kelly out the way and to keep a cloud over black men's heads as sexual deviants

  • Lol. He shakes his head to indicate “no” while he says an affirmative “absolutely” 😂 He’s a liar, obviously.

  • that was not sweat they were wiping off of his forehead, that was the truth oozing out of his pores that they were trying to cover up LOL

  • Anybody's can and what gives you b** has the authority to judge a man you have a pussy you don't have a cock a pussy is different

  • I don't feel the hold the girls forcefuly but he sleeping with them , I think They out for him ,get the black man

  • This is what an abuser looks like!! Playing the victim and doing the little anger dance!! Seen it all too many times.

  • He almost came close to saying he needs "mental health help"….. just couldn't push it out pass his tongue (😝)—ijs🙆

  • All the other white suckas who are pedofile u mothefuckas don't do nothing to them if you suckas care about pedofilia go after all the other white pedofiles who are free

  • just leave R Kelly alone and take care of your kids. what are these kids doing there at the first place. my opinion dont get me wrong

  • I swear his publicist & lawyer are letting him burn lol. They jus let him drown himself. The lawyer gonna convince him on a plea deal, watch.

  • To me if they was actually working on their music or their "craft" the isolation would make sense it a known fact people lock their self in the studio while making albums but not even a single… this a little shaky babe idk maybe they got writer block lol

  • Triste a vida desse cara…um dia vai pagar todo distúrbio emocional que causou as pessoas

  • “Absolutely Not, Absolutely Not, ” lol. Michale Strahan should had went on SNL skit and played R. Kelly.😂😂😂😂😂

  • I think he’s sick and needs help. Not prison maybe something medically. The person who needs jail time is Jussie smollet. Sneaky and very malicious

  • You guys are a bunch attention seeking maniacs….. Everyone from the parents to Kelly himself played a part in this fiasco.Am not saying he is innocent but the fact that you guys down played the part where he said the parents sold their daughters and asked why he bought them makes you guys no worst than him and pls tell that doctor that all her analysis can be done by a 5 year old with access to the internet.

  • Everybody's who targets R Kelly is a Goddamn hypocrite and funny as hell,we all have performed some embarrassing and wretched-things,you people are pathetic,I'm not speaking of everyone don't anyone knows what happened but Kelly and the females,then too,what if they parents encouraged it?, you know what, I tell you what's funny,Let's see how many you hypocrites point fingers with out witness on judgement day and it's closer than you think, especially for the wretched unbelievers😂🤣😂but it won't be funny then 😭😭😭

  • Ha,ha,ha these are supposed to be educated people oh my God ha,ha,ha the crazy scenarios and concepts they explain to justify R Kelly is guilty is extremely crazy,it's hard to believe that these folks don't have common sense and wisdom, damn is R Kelly being charged for kidding napping?,hell but they parents are the ones complaining after they introduced their daughters to Mr Kelly, and where are the text messages that Mr Kelly was alleged to had sent supporting he was having sex with these women?,Man this world is Fucked up,the curriculum that psychologist become educated by the result of it is extremely flawed and most the general public subject their understanding to these programed incredible!!!!!!!!!,The people are in trouble,that woman is a one dimensional data flaw,not thinker, because to analyze is to actually have a brain,Hey some may say I like R Kelly, well I have Kno reason to like him,hell I don't even listen to his music,but I can discern B's when I hear it!!!!!

  • You know the thing thats seems to me a little strange about Oprah is that she called the interviewer but not the victims, and you know for being a sex assault victim and a being a public figure the right thing to do was her to talk to the victims… (my point of view)

  • I have a strange feeling anybody can be a psychiatrist. This woman was not insightful in the least. Just another antic to get more clicks on Raper Kelly 😒

  • I believe I can LIE.
    I believe been I buried ALIVE.
    Think about it how can I PAID.
    Spread my wings, I flew in on a helicopter.
    I believe I can LIE

  • This is not a narcissist at all it's called we dont fall for your bullshit lmfao anything to sound like dr phil

  • R Kelly, if I was you I will move to another country like London, and start my music career over their or elsewhere, so you could separate yourself from these despirit Money grabbers, who will stop at nothing to get money from you. Tina Turner, left the United States Years and Years. ago and made so much money, so much more than she ever imagined, and she never had anymore problems such as the problems she experience in the United States that caused her to attempt an unsuccessful suicide. When she migrated in the UK the did not. looked at her as a black women celebrity. They just looked at her just as a Star and a Star only and treated her with the highest honor of respect till this day

  • This man is gonna go completely berserk and fall apart in court when he gets cross examined by a prosecutor ! They gonna have to restrain him. At least Bill Cosby was dignified during his court trials.

  • I'm so sick of people bringing the parents into this. Them being involved or not involved doesn't change the fact that he's a pedophile, rapist, misogynist who deserves to rot in prison. On the sexual predator wing.

    An eye for an eye…

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